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Oct 1·edited Oct 1Liked by kitten seeking answers

I don't know what to think about all the "new age" stuff but I knew Doreen Virtue and even attended her wedding to Steven Farmer who is also a friend. (they divorced) Their wedding was actually quite weird btw. (In Laguna Beach CA at her house which was filled with Angel iconography everywhere.) I've had a lifelong fascination with Angels so read every book of hers and have all her Angel Card decks. She is from an Evangelical Christian family so no surprise that she went back to her roots. She was lovely in person when I was hanging around with her, but who knows what happened to her. Just thought I'd share that. I actually think there are many paths to God and I don't care who started what religion, except that leaders who are poor examples of humanity turn me away from their "religions." 😊

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Oh my, memories! I was peripherally and intermittently involved with the New Age movement in my 30s (1980s). I made a couple of trips to Esalen for workshops, but mostly I read stuff. By the end of that phase of my life I was thoroughly convinced that it was all a huge scam. Done with that. More lessons learned.

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Oct 1Liked by kitten seeking answers

Hello, kitten. Could you define what you mean by New Age? It's seeming to me that it includes every theory about God, reality and our relationship to one another that isn't an orthodox religion. Does any one individual represent the whole? Certainly there are examples of people who did horrible things--and are currently doing horrible things--who profess a belief in the Bible and claim that as their motivation. There are entire movements and epochs of history, like the Crusades, the Inquisition, the witch hunts, colonization. And these are with an authorized hierarchy and central control.

But I've never felt it was fair to make the interpretations of individuals--even authorized ones--reflective of a religion. Which is why my critiques of Judeo-Christianity always go back to their scriptures. If we want to define Judeo-Christianity, we have no question about what it is from the authorized texts of the Bible. So that seems to be a fair way to assess it.

I've never used New Age to describe myself except with my brief foray into dating apps that only left that option--and then quickly regretted it when I saw who it was 'matching' me with! As soon as I hear the word, I smell patchouli. I went to Esalen twice--when I'd just moved to California and you could still sneak into the hot springs for free after dark, and for a writing retreat with Sun Magazine. I found it pretentious and overpriced, and it drew a different crowd than the same writing retreat at their home in North Carolina.

Yet what Yahwism affected was a coup on God. It said, "If there is a God, I'm it" and presented the most sociopathic murderous bloodthirsty personality for this god the world has ever known. I just mentioned to Laurent Guyenot, who's written From Yahweh to Zion, that I picture Yahweh like Rumplestiltskin, a mad god, jumping up and down yelling "mine! mine! mine!"

You may say that the father of Jesus is not Yahweh, but you would be deviating from the orthodox decision to put the two together as one continuation. Marcionism makes that case but is considered heretical. So the only options you're leaving people is to either accept the character of one of the pre-defined gods of orthodox religion, in this case Yahweh, or to be an atheist and decide there is no god. That seems very limited if we each have a mind and spirit created for us to use.

I think you already saw this, but here's one on this: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/terry-wolfe-spits-on-spirit. Curiously, Terry blames New Age on women but the paternal roots of Judeo-Christianity is really a redundant phrase, since it comes from the patriarchs.

What are your thoughts?

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Hi Teresa,

I do not consider myself “religious” in the sense of “following” someone else’s interpretations of The Bible, rather I read and feel The Bible (KJV fyi) and experience a personal relationship with God. I do take His words literally and find comfort in them.

I was born an extreme empath, deeply absorbing my sensory environment as a primary basis for interpreting it. I am not a Biblical scholar and I am not going to argue the minute with anyone because that is not my forte.

as a child I remember not wanting to be here (in this realm) or interact with anyone (other than my mom) and being quite upset (depressed actually) about it the entire time. longing to be somewhere else, the only place that seemed close was the garden… my days mostly spent barefoot on grassy lawns, plucking flowers, running my fingers through sweetly scented mulch, staring at the puffy white clouds in the beautiful blue skies, being incredibly intrigued by everything. the foggy mornings so silent that you could hear dew drops rolling off a fern frond. I disliked school and social pretense with a passion, secretly outwardly adapting, gaming the system and scoring excellent grades while inwardly despising the situation (I think of school and all artificial constructs as cult-like … maybe the fake social part is the “cult of Like”) going through the motions of “social acceptance and conformity” and eventually being fully sucked into the matrix (I do think it is evil at the core because I have always been able to feel it.)

one of my earliest memories maybe 3yrs old(?)(sometimes I wonder if it was real or exactly what street corner the church was on… on the corner of a street with massive shady trees) was sitting on the wood bench pews of some church in Santa Barbara with my mom all dressed up and patiently listening to the pastor (really not understanding anything he was saying… waa waa waa blah blah blah) and my mom leans over and asks me something to the effect of “do you want to keep doing this” and I say “no” and we (our whole family) never attend church again, ever, instead spending Sundays as a family on outings and picnics.

my parents were both scientists, adherents to logic, reason (e.g. the bump in the night is not a ghost), the best parents you could possibly hope for who taught “the golden rule” but had a “scientific” explanation for everything Biblical (e.g. The Red Sea parting was possible due to faults in the vicinity.) I had childhood experiences that taught me otherwise, the reality of the “unseen” or what some might describe as “interdimensional,” a blind spot for many if not most including my parents.

After discarding the New Age (which I define as everything not of The Bible or God) I (and a close friend) had my own personal experience, witness of Jesus Christ (and, prior to this, a brush with pure evil that I have described previously here) that also served to reinforce my beliefs.

In my stack I relate my experiences and opinions based on those experiences which are inevitably going to differ from others, I allow myself to be a work in progress and try not to judge others because I am deeply flawed as well.

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Oct 2Liked by kitten seeking answers

Thanks for those very sweet memories and experiences, kitten. I want to be clear also that I don't judge people, only ideas. Your religion, it sounds like, is based on an empathic and mystical personal experience, that includes the 'unseen' and 'interdimensional.' I have no criticism of that whatsoever but I think a lot of traditionalists would call that New Age. If you give validity to your own religious experiences, without needing the interpretation of an authority, how can you categorize anyone else's as wrong and assign a label to it? It just seems like you're not giving other people the freedom to have their own direct connection with the divine that you give yourself.

A funny story. I was going to write in response to your article that angels have never been my jam. Then I just took a shuttle to my off-airport parking and read my valet #7555. This lovely woman next to me said, "Well look at you, just reeling off that angel number. No big deal." So I had to look it up. I guess angels might be my jam ;-)

Hope we're still friends.

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Oct 2·edited Oct 2Author

what I learned from participating in various new age practices is that they are similar to relying on a ouija board for answers, you get truth mixed with lies, destructive guidance which is probably par for the course with fallen angels. I have heard deep guttural growls emanate from sweet children who interact with invisible friends. I have also encountered a demon face to face.

I am just pointing out some of what I see /feel now everywhere: a deluge of evil beyond anything I have ever witnessed/ experienced and I am going to blast that evil until my voice goes silent, it’s just what I have decided to do. what others decide to do is up to them.

my rock is Jesus and His word and I am not deviating.

Dear Teresa, God bless you, you will always be my friend!

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Oct 2Liked by kitten seeking answers

That's my definition of propaganda: truth interwoven with lies into a seamless cloth. If you recognize the lies and reject the truth, they win. If you recognize the truth and wear the lies, they win. And it's exactly the metaphor I use for the Bible, one that it uses (I think) when it refers to covering Noah's nakedness with a seamless cloth and Jesus with a seamless robe.

The Bible isn't really about a belief in God, it's about a belief in evil--which is a belief in the moral superiority of those who are denouncing others as evil. What's considered heresy isn't questioning the existence of God but questioning the existence in evil. And this belief is shared by atheists, they just call them psychopaths.

But if God created evil, then God is evil. It's an argument presented by theologians from centuries ago called The Theodicy Triangle. Three things that can't coexist are 1) God is all-Good 2) God is all-Powerful and 3) Evil exists.

What I consider, in my spiritual practice, is the possibility that God is all-Good, which means that people are too because God can only create in God's own nature (not image, which is an illusion by definition). I think that you, who are all-Good, project that goodness onto a contradictory text, which nullifies some of your power to be perfectly happy.

You see your own reflection in the Bible, which is loving and joyful and strong. But those who want to use the Bible to give validity to their hatred, superiority and violence can find ready material because it's interwoven. I think those people are manipulated through fear, which is the opposite of love.

You are your rock because the truth is in you. And blessings back, my dear. I still have your mother's rose up on my desktop and since my desktop icon is a yellow rose, it's roses all around, which I always associate with you! (And my dance friend Melissa, whose healthy, vibrant mother died 5 mos. ago and who gave her a rose bush every mother's day. And of course, Amy Rosebush of What's in a Name, another of the woo-woo women, as we call ourselves ;-)

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I believe that evil is any defiance of God (clearly defined by Him in The Bible including obedience to His Laws) which would include worship of other entities or even worship of His creation instead of Him which, circling back, is at the heart of New Age.

I was surprised that no one commented on the common Rockefeller funding nexus of popular New Age in America and the Climate & Eco narratives and the Silicon Valley/Esalen forums where these narratives are actively discussed & supported, the plans for interfering / remodeling God’s creation in the form of transhumanism and environmental experimentation to re-create an artificial world, explaining the medical experimentation of late and the dousing of the environment in nanotechnology and unnatural EMFs to name a few.

I don’t think any of it is a coincidence, the New Age self-empowerment to make humans god-like has been woven into the fabric of our culture by design.

I expected pushback because many find the New Age practices enjoyable (so did I and resisted addressing it myself) but it was an unhealthy addiction with destructive consequences. I believe that we are doomed to continue down this path without acknowledgment of the connection.

everyone has their own journey and mine has led me to these concerning conclusions.

glad you enjoy the roses, I try to include some beauty, relaxation that we all need to stay healthy.

We also need a forum where everyone can express their viewpoint (also essential for health) so I accept disagreement

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That seems like a circular argument, kitten: evil is rejecting the god of the Bible because that's what the Bible says it is. New Age is a catch-all term for rejecting the god of the Bible, therefore New Age is evil.

What that does is make ethics and morality subservient to religion. If your religion says that killing suckling babes is what god requires, as the OT does, then it's good. There's no objective framework of what's right and wrong, good and bad, to measure the religion against because the religion is its own framework.

You know, I think, my rules for ethical statements: that they can't contain proper nouns and need to be reversible and substitutable for the variable, like an algebra equation. So here is one: Religions can/ cannot be judged as ethical/ unethical based on their funding, their authority systems, their independent branches, or the behaviors of those who label themselves as such.

If your position is 'can be judged' for New Age, defined as any non-Biblical concept of ultimate reality, the same metric needs to apply to Biblical Judeo-Christianity. Do you agree?

Your post critiques New Age ideology and your reason for being concerned (and correct me if I'm wrong) is that it was designed and funded for manipulation of the gullible but is "an unhealthy addiction with destructive consequences" not just for the individual but for society and the world.

I don't see this as pushback but rather extending your logic and applying it to Biblical Judeo-Christianity. An addiction is something a person finds pleasurable but refuses to raise to question or look at the destructive consequences.

You challenge non-Biblical practitioners of spirituality as addicted and gullible, and I'm using logic to show why that's not true. Yet you base your belief in the words of Jesus on emotion and feelings, and say that you won't deviate or question their consistency. If we are 'doomed to continue down this path without acknowledgment,' not just as individuals but as a society and world, it's more important for me to be honest than polite.

I agree that we need a forum where everyone can express their viewpoint. And one where we can come to agreement on what's right and wrong, so none of us are manipulated by any religion into immoral acts and yet can pursue and share theories about God.

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Oct 4Liked by kitten seeking answers

I went from Hippie to New Age in the 80's, not because of ideology, following the ladies and the herb took me there. The other option was Line Dancing to Country Western. https://stephensimac.substack.com/p/fool-me-once-fool-me-twice-hows-that

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Oct 1Liked by kitten seeking answers

Not being religious - raised with love and Ethics, but no religion - I initially was drawn to New Age crap, but it did not take long for Me to identify it as another religious cult. I really do not care what religion anyOne is, what They think about, what Their genetics are, or any other such thing. I care whether They choose Their behavior Ethically.

As long as They choose Ethically (within the three Laws of Ethics), I may not care for Their personality and maybe even avoid Them, but I will not fault Them one whit.

The three Laws of Ethics (Natural Law expressed as the three things not to do):

1. Do not willfully and without fully informed consent hurt or kill the flesh of anOther

2. Do not willfully and without fully informed consent take or damage anything that does not belong to You alone

3. Do not willfully defraud anOther (which can only happen without fully informed consent)

Sadly, psychopaths who rose to the top via money are aiming to (unEthically) draw Us all into unEthical practices...

Tips and Tricks for Surviving the Performance (article): https://amaterasusolar.substack.com/p/tips-and-tricks-for-surviving-the

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Oct 1·edited Oct 1Liked by kitten seeking answers

Fear. That is all I see all the way through this lengthy and confusing post. I do not fear religions and can assure you that New Age is the least of our worries. Wasn't it Andrew Lloyd Webber who wrote that piss-take musical The Age of Aquarius? There was always something wet about that guy. Nope! I am wrong! AI corrects me by saying "The song “Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In” is a famous showstopper from the 1965 musical “Hair”, written by Gerome Ragni, James Rado, and Galt MacDermot. It’s not a piss-take musical, but rather a groundbreaking and iconic rock musical that explored themes of youth culture, counterculture, and social change." - THAT is the official narrative, Kitten. I still maintain that it was a piss-take. There was NOTHING groundbreaking or iconic about it. Our youth culture was poorly represented by it and we all hated it. Only old ladies in twinsets and pearls went to watch it.

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